Forging a Future for Haiti, Part 3: Sustainability Through Action

Episode Topic: Sustainability Through Action 

Join Kate Schuenke-Lucien, Director for Haiti and Senior Associate Director for Strategic Planning, Fr. Herald Jean from University of Notre Dame Haiti-Hinche, and Chip Wirth, the GC-DWC’s Senior Advisor of the Social Enterprise Initiative, as they conclude this three-part series with a conversation about Notre Dame’s history in Haiti, the work that has been done to bolster the resilience of Haitian children and families, what we have learned through our implementation of science initiatives, and most importantly, the work that we hope to accomplish in the future.

Featured Speakers:

• Kate Schuenke-Lucien, Director for Haiti and Senior Associate Director for Strategic Planning
• Fr. Herald Jean from University of Notre Dame Haiti-Hinche
• Chip Wirth, the GC-DWC’s Senior Advisor of the Social Enterprise Initiative

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This podcast is a part of the ThinkND Series titled Forging a Future for Haiti. 

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Transcript

Introduction and Welcome

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 0:11

hello and welcome to another episode of Forging A Future in Haiti. My name is Kate Shanky Lucian. I'm director for Haiti programs at the University of Notre Dame's. Global Center for the development of the whole child. Our center works to create pathways out of adversity for the world's most vulnerable children in 25 countries. The Global Center for the Development of the whole Child leverages evidence-based innovations to develop effective whole child development approaches to not only advance children's academic achievement, but also to create safe. Supportive and equitable family, school and community environments managing one of the fastest growing research portfolios on the University of Notre Dame's campus. The Global Center for the Development of the whole child integrates research and practice learning and doing in all of its work from the beginning. Today's episode is really exciting for me because I'm being joined by two incredible guests who are deeply involved in Haiti's development efforts. Father Harold John from the University of Notre Dame Inch, Haiti and Chip Wirth, the Global Center for the Development of the whole child's senior advisor for social enterprise initiatives. Together we are concluding this three part series on Forging a Future for Children in Haiti, Notre Dame's history in Haiti. The work that has been done to bolster the resilience of Haitian children and families, what we've learned through our implementation science initiatives and the work that we hope to accomplish in the future. We hope that you'll find your experience with forging a future for Haiti to be insightful and engaging. We hope you stay connected not only to us here at the Global Center for the development of the whole child, but to our global learning community on ThinkND. This episode is possible. Thanks to the Global Center for the development of the whole child, the Institute for Educational Initiatives, ThinkND and the Notre Dame Alumni Association. So again, I'm really delighted to have, both Chip and Father Harold here with me today. Father Harold has traveled all the way from Haiti to be here with us, and Chip came all the way from Norfolk, Virginia. So we have quite the eclectic group here. But we're gonna be discussing how the church is playing a key role in co-creating. Sustainable change in Haiti, how social enterprise initiatives like mailboxes, et cetera, are helping the local economy and how the global center for the development of the whole Child Social Enterprise Initiative is working to build local solutions for long-term impact. So Father Harold and Chip, thank you both so much for being here with me today.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 2:44

Thank you, Kate. Thank you everyone. I greet you. is a pleasure to be here today.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 2:51

Same with me, Kate. Thank you very much for the opportunity.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 2:55

We are welcome. So I'm excited for our discussion today. I wanted to start off by giving Father Harold a chance to introduce himself a little bit and let us know, who he is Chip, I'll probably come to you after that to get a little bit of an introduction as well, How you got started in this enterprise with us and, as our founder likes to say, our conspiracy of goodness, here at the Global Center for the development of the whole child. if people have been, listening to this series, they realize that the Catholic church has a really deep connection within Haitian communities, and that we at the Global Center and the University of Notre Dame have been actively working with the church to support children's development, for well over a decade now. I wondered if you could, first introduce yourself and then talk a little bit about the role of the church, in creating sustainable impact, especially in the context of, parish schools and networks and community development.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 3:45

Yes, Kate. I am Father Herald, priest of the Diocese of in. I was born and raised in. I am director of the Pastoral of Healthcare for All Haiti and the diocese of in. I'm also chaplain of EZ Hospital in Inch. am a member of the National Bio Committee and I have a doctorate. In bioethics, the University of Notre Dame. Haiti has a location in each diocese and I founded the inch location in 2012 with the former Bishop of Eng a Holy Cross priest. The executive vice director of the university.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 4:42

Okay. So that's a really, impressive resume. Chip. I don't know if you feel the same. I almost feel a little unqualified to be here, with Father Harold. He wears so many hats and he wears them so well. and Father Harold, I just wanna say, knowing you personally and having seen your work, in Haiti, I know that you're a priest who dedicates so much energy and love, to the community of Inch and the country of Haiti, and they're really lucky to have you.

Chip Wirth's Journey and Social Enterprise Initiatives

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 5:06

Well kid, that is our mission. the Catholic Church in Haiti is an integral part of daily life. It's woven into fabric of Haitian society, from schools to health center to community health. The Global Center has recognized this and he leveraging the church reach and influence to activate change at the grassroots level. One K example is all we have worked with parish priest to integrate childhood development, massaging into the sermons by doing this. are not just thinking about spiritual development, but also holistic childhood development. Priests are in a position of trust, when they speak about the importance of early childhood education, mental health, and social emotional development, it resonates with the community. We have also started offering preparation courses for parents, godparents and families, which empowers them to raise healthy, intelligent, and spiritually alive children. This connection between science and theology has a profound impact. Kate, I have to tell you, oh, passionate. I am about education at all levels in Haiti. I truly believe education is the way that we can change the future of Haiti in all of my different walls as a priest. thinking about, oh, I can help train teachers so they will have a positive impact on these students who will grow up and be able to teach next generation what they have learned. If we want to make a lesson difference in Haiti, need to educate the next generation. I'm trying to use all the avenues I have in my role as a priest and with the University of Notre Dame to support sustainable education. education is happening in families, in healthcare, in business and in school. Chips work. Social enterprise is an example for this approach that we need in hate.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 8:05

Well, I couldn't agree more, father Harold, that this, multifaceted approach and education in all areas is necessary, to really change outcomes in Haiti Chip, I think it would be really helpful maybe if you could just give a little introduction to yourself and who you are and how you, you came, I know that this is a passion of yours. you've been working in Haiti for a long time. so maybe talk a little bit about how you came to do that and also how you came to partner with the, the Global Center and why you are interested in, social enterprise and what that can possibly do to support folks like Father Harold on the ground.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 8:41

Thanks, Kate. I think it's important for, people listening to us to understand, I, I believe you've had previous discussions this approach as far as the activation of the Catholic Church worldwide in the United States. Haiti and Africa, everywhere else where we're working. And this approach, has been sponsored by our leader, Dr. Neil Boothy, and Father Lou. they did an excellent job of capturing that in their book, talking about this L three. And, I think it's an instance where we L three, meaning the fact that you encompass homeschool and church into the overall process, and you're gonna get positive results out of it by activating existing Catholic systems the United States can learn greatly from Haiti as far as the approach they've taken. I've worked in Haiti for going on 30 years. I've worked with Notre Dame for 15 years on various projects in the country. The SALT Project that you're well aware of, and also I've worked for Father Harold for over a decade putting together a series of projects or businesses in Haiti. We have, four going on five. Different businesses that we've set up in Haiti that are all, I wouldn't necessarily use the word thriving, but as of today, they're successful. the idea is to find ways in which social enterprise, can do good for the community at the same time, try to. Create wealth within the community and make money that can be plowed back into the educational process. That's our goal.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 10:24

So Chip I will say this as, someone who often is working on a grant cycle of a couple of years, we really came to you, at the right time We have these projects that we do and they're great, but there's a life cycle to the projects we want things to be able to continue and we want, there to be sustainable change where outside funding is not always, needed. Because I, I'll just be honest. In this current environment we're in, where, funding sources are. It's tricky, right? Funding sources are being cut, governments are changing their minds about investments they wanna make. it's really important to have something that's sustainable and can stand the test of time. that's where you came in and said, Hey. I've got this great idea. you're an entrepreneur and a business person by trade. Someone who's cared about Haiti and has been proving that in your life, putting your extra time effort, and treasure into making sustainable change in Haiti and investing, in local leadership. And you came to us, where you said, Hey, have an idea for a business. I could do this business in Haiti and the profits are being put back into, education in Haiti, could you talk to us just a little bit about, MBE, mailboxes, et cetera. Could you talk about what that is, what social enterprise is now? and how did that come about?

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 11:35

The mailbox, initiative that Father Harold is in charge of, in Haiti, was born out of some conversations with our director, Neil Booth. Talking about just the idea of how we can generate funds for schools in Haiti at the school level. And there was some discussions about setting up print shops, for instance, My family is involved with some shipping businesses in the, Chesapeake, Norfolk area. I mentioned to Neil about the idea that we could also. Bring in doing printing, which is part of the business model of what we do locally, but we could also bring in the idea of shipping product from the United States, or that Haitians had the ability then to. project products in the United States and ship it into Haiti. before we started this, there was really no way to do that in a speedy fashion. the implications that that could have on with that e-commerce would have then on businesses and health related situations in Haiti could be dramatic. I suggested. To Neil that we look at this and this mailbox concept came about. As a result, we went to Father Harold and brought in some managers that he was aware of, and they're running the show down there. despite all the unrest over the past, couple of years, the project is functioning and we are profitable. the cool thing is that the, project is working we are able to, within a one week time, take a package. Ship it into, a Miami warehouse and then it goes into Haiti, and distributed to and the actual, you know, purchaser. And so, and I, I wanna emphasize this is I've just served as a, an an outside advisor on this. This project is owned operated and controlled by Father Harold and his team in Haiti. offices, or they, I shouldn't use the word we. They have offices in capitation and in hinch.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 13:45

So that local leadership, you touched on something, that's really important. Not only is the idea to have a. Social enterprise in Haiti, that's generating profits. We'll talk about that in a minute. How we, are hoping as the profits increase, being in the black is a great thing. You wanna be in the black, right? Yeah. You don't wanna be in the red. I'm not a business person. Um, but yeah, so we're getting in the black and the model is up and running and, and we think it's going, has the potential to generate more profits, um, in the future. The idea here is that those profits will be invested in schools and education. I should have mentioned one of the main things we struggle with in Haiti in the schools that we work with is they often don't have enough money to pay for teacher salaries. So students have to pay a tuition. It's not A large tuition, but to families, it is a significant, amount of money and often teachers aren't able to be paid. the idea here was that we would reinvest the profits, with the parish community so that they could continue to support their schools, and the students and, teachers that, that serve them. But you mentioned local leadership, father Harold. Could you talk a little bit about the role of local leaders in ensuring the sustainability of initiatives like mailbox in the long run?

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 14:57

Oh yes. This is very important. Our current Bishop has been focusing on local leadership and autonomy since 2016. He is focused on financial autonomy for improvements within the diocese, and I am so glad that he has this focus. Sometime we might need assistance to get something started. And we are so grateful for the initial investment that partners like Chip make. They do this out of love in solidarity, but Chip knows and we know. if local leaders in Haiti are empowered, they will be the engine that can keep social enterprises like MBE running and generating profits that are invested in the community for generation to come. Thank you.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 16:10

we recently opened a campus that has been five years in the making entrepreneurial, skills are being taught on a two year degree program. I think it's pretty unique. The name that is, that has been attached to it, it's our ladies partnership.'cause we have the University of Notre Dame South Bend and the University of Notre Dame in Haiti. And it is a truly our ladies partnership because that's the spirit in which we're operating in. In this school, we are encouraging entrepreneurialship again with a two year degree, and from this school, we are hoping to get and have startups, entrepreneurial based projects come out of this much like what we've already got working For instance, we have four different businesses underway. none of these are owned by Notre Dame, south Bend, or myself, but were associated with them through sponsorships and serving as advisors and such, they're all owned and operated out of Haiti, which I think is important. We have our salt project where we're bringing salt in for the prevention of disease and iodine deficiency. That is flourishing. We have, containers where we've built and we have the capacity to build in Haiti, take shipping containers, and build'em into libraries that we've done, 10 of those already and placed them throughout Haiti. The MBE program, which I'd mentioned earlier in CAP and in Hinch. we also have a laboratory established at the University of Notre Dame. For research based projects we just finished our second round of testing school children for various vitamin deficiencies. we just finished that two weeks ago where we're actually able to do low cost testing of children in Haiti and it's quite dramatic results. We discovered that large percentages of the children in our school actually suffer from anemia. And so we're seeing the results. And again, you're gonna hear me keep reemphasizing that these projects are all Haitian owned, Haitian operated and Haitian led.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 18:29

Yeah.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 18:29

we are 100% in a support mode. that's a different business model than what has been done previously in the 30 years I've been working in Haiti.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 18:38

Mm-hmm.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 18:39

I think, it truly is the leadership of the Global Center that has led to this.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 18:45

Yeah, well, and Chip, we couldn't do it if we didn't have partners. it's kind of, providential, to have partners like you Father Harold and a university that's established. I should have just pointed out for listeners, the University of Notre Dame, Haiti and Inch. It's in the Central Plateau. the central region of Haiti. It's a. Predominantly rural area. and the university serves as a huge hub. it's a wonderful place to invest long term, if you wanna have some of these sustainable initiatives. I think Chip, that's why you said you've invested, several different projects, right? With Father Harold's leadership and other, local leaders in Inch. You talked about, one thing I thought was really, I wanna maybe talk a bit more about, have you explained it and then have Father Harold talk about its impact in the community. You mentioned shipping containers. they had been shipped into Haiti and repurposed solar power is added to them. They serve, as libraries, but even more as digital libraries. there's tablet computers that we've been able to put in there. in addition to physical books, all kinds of activities. They're A resource center or a learning center that's open to the community. and can be put in any location. and it's much lower cost than building a large building and a foundation Could you just talk a little bit about how you came up or where did the idea of these, I like your story about how you kind of came up with this idea of community learning centers built outta shipping containers.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 20:07

the idea of the shipping containers came when I was in Haiti with, Neil Booth our director. We were visiting various schools about the concept of building libraries, learning center libraries at various schools throughout Haiti Visiting these schools and my background is in construction. noticed that each one of these is gonna have to be different. there was no way that we could get a common blueprint to utilize in order to control costs and such, and, and be.'cause each school, it was, the construction of each school was different. And where they're talking about putting the container or putting the library was different for some reason it just hit me. Why don't we just take shipping containers and convert them into libraries? Neil thought that was an idea worth exploring. We Haiti. I went home again, our. my company, we are, we do home construction and, commercial development. we decided to take up the cause and I told Neil we would build a few prototypes and see how it goes. And we were successful. My daughter Did the design work on the containers, and then we went to work constructing them. Then we brought in Father Harold's recommendation, an incredible contractor the United States and from Haiti in order to see how we were doing now we had the in-house knowledge in Haiti to do these. they're unique and the idea is that each one is the same. so that we didn't run into this issue that we had, I'd mentioned earlier we, each one was gonna be different and the costs were just gonna go through the roof and that the, there were readily available shipping containers. the, the other neat thing about'em is, is that the earthquake proof, because you're not tying it into the ground at all with a foundation and so they can move with the earth. And as we know, Haiti is prone to earthquakes. they're easily transportable. the country and we converted. An Acer came in, he installed them for us in Haiti. He did all the solar systems and the best of my knowledge, they've been extremely well received and we have the option now to build them in country at a fraction of the cost in the United States.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 22:28

I love seeing. Them in use in Haiti. They personalize them. every community that we've been able to place one in, they have a, a blessing ceremony. They open them and they often, they've been painting the outsides and kind of, making them very colorful and inviting. they do have libraries, but it's even more than that. it's a community space with all different kinds of things and activities, that children can do for continuous learning. Father Harold, I think you have one in your community, correct? We have a community learning center.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 22:55

I would just want to add a little bit about the community learning center. have one in the university in Aus Witham of campus. is really innovative program for the children in the area. Children love it, and also excited to come and use the MA we have are available. They are there every weekend. Friday to Sunday, we use the community learning centers to train teachers with the philosophy of World Child Development

Challenges and Ingenuity in Haiti

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 23:33

and that's been my experience with the ones placed in capitation too. They seem like they're active, lively, engaging spaces. when school is closed, which often happens for a variety of reasons. In Haiti, they're able to open up those community learning centers and have. Volunteer staff. That's one thing we've been really, has been lovely to see is communities taking ownership, and managing these learning centers and having shifts where different volunteers will come in, and work and make sure that that space is open, so kids have a space to play be active, and be engaged. Well it's been really lovely for us in capitation as well. Just echoing with Father Harold said, those community learning, centers have been really vibrant spaces that are open when school is closed because of natural disasters or sociopolitical issues. But it's been really lovely to see how volunteers in the community have taken over those centers and really run them and. Staff them and make sure that they're open and that it's a space, for children and their parents, to engage in. one of the ways that, we've been thinking a lot about just coming back to mailboxes, et cetera, or MVE, We use both, to describe that. Social enterprise we talked about how you recently have just been able to get into the black, which is a good thing. as you're working out the kinks in the business model and adjusting to things, that you're hoping that you're gonna generate, more profits. The idea is for those profits to be reinvested to support education in Haiti. Can you talk a little bit about the thinking behind that?

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 24:56

Sure. I wanna emphasize, actually, it's kind of funny when I was sitting here thinking about it, is that I really am no longer involved on the day to day. Management with the, the mailbox, stores. That's Father Harold and his team. I'm aware of what they're doing from the outside, but as we went through the transition from me to them, we started making money. So I guess that says a lot about my skills in that regard. father Harold and his team have done an incredible job. The airport's closed. In Port Prince. And when that happened, the business model went into the trash can because, we, we, they, they were shipping their product Miami into Port-au-Prince. Father Harold and Wilbert, the, and, and cones, the, the managers of the project came up with a concept on their own they decided they could bring it in through the Dominican Republic, and they were able to do it at half the cost rather than waiting two to three weeks for a package to have been delivered, it's now a matter of days. And so I think overall, Kate, there's some lessons

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 26:03

Mm-hmm.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 26:04

that we had these, Negative connotations in regards to certain situations, and Haiti might be one of them. the frustrating thing for me is, when you hear all these stories about the unrest that is occurring in Porter Prince, and God, it's God awful. two thirds of the country is functioning without a central government. And when you get involved, like I have. Versus our salt project or with, the MBE and Father Harold's team, or the containers and such. It's amazing the entrepreneurial spirit that exists there. They're hungry. I know people say that, and it sounds cliche, but it's not. I would love to have people come and just see and talk to these people and see that enthusiasm they have. for business, for life the love they have for each other for the church and for God. everything we're doing, everybody we work with, that's the spirit it's a very faith-based group of people that know how to get things done despite the adversity we're constantly facing. Father Harold and I today at lunch, we're talking about different aspects of what's going on in the country and the workarounds occurring for us to be able to function. I'm not saying we're thriving. Sure we'd be doing much better if there wasn't the unrest, but we're getting it done.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 27:29

There's an ingenuity of spirit and a can-do attitude about working around those obstacles. given that I have every confidence that the business is gonna continue to grow and generate those profits, how do you see those being invested the idea was not just to generate profit for profits sake, we had a goal that's the kind of the idea of social enterprise, right? Like that profit's gonna be re you. Harnessing business to generate profits that can be reinvested for the greater good.

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 27:53

I can remember my conversation with Neil on that subject when we were talking about that, and how do we get money into these schools on a sustainable basis. When he was telling me a school of 300 kids. The cost for the teachers total for that number of teachers for 300 kids, 15,000 a year, and yet they couldn't make payroll. if we can generate 15 grand a year for each school, they can pay their teachers I don't think people understand from the outside, just the, the, sometimes the depth of the poverty that exists within the country, that they don't have 15,000 a year. And as many times the teachers will go for long periods without being paid so they can't educate the children, and so our goal is to generate money from these various projects and be able to utilize it towards supporting these schools.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 28:49

Yeah. And again, that frees schools up. to have that, security and longevity of knowing, that the teachers, I think that just also, teachers show up to teach even when they're not getting paid. But think about how much, I mean, it's about dignity for those teachers as well, right? Like it's a dignity issue. They're showing up and coming to work. We wanna make sure that they're being paid so they can support their families. It's kind of a virtuous cycle, right? things improve in the school, but things also improve in the community and everybody benefits. So, I just can't stress enough Chip. We're really glad, We feel so blessed and grateful, that this gentleman from Norfolk, Virginia has, or Chesapeake Bay, sometimes I get it wrong with

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 29:25

Chesapeake, Virginia.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 29:26

Chesapeake, Virginia has come into our orbit. people can make choices about what they do with their extra time and treasure. It really means a lot that you choose to spend your extra time in treasure. just really investing. And I think to me, I know that you are a faithful, lifelong Catholic, and your faith animates. Your commitment to this, you see, the global church have a commitment, solidarity, and a desire to accompany your brothers and sisters in the church in Haiti and other places. I am grateful, that you make that choice to spend your time in that way.

Future Vision for Haiti and Notre Dame's Role

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 29:57

And Kate, let me add to that One of the frustrating things for me just have, how, I mean for 30 years, 70 visits or so into Haiti, is that when you Father Harold. He's a poster child for what I'm talking about I wish people in our country could see the Catholic church in action in Haiti just across the board, whether it's the hospital systems, the school, the the only, you know, essentially functioning school system within the country, the parish life that the different. agricultural, projects that are ongoing. Just the support system and what our church is actually accomplishing. people listening to this will get an idea just by hearing Father Harold talk of what that really represents, what our church is accomplishing Haiti.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 30:50

Yeah. Well, as we wrap up, father Harold, I'd like to turn it over to you and ask, where you see the future of the University of Notre Dame, how do you see the, university playing a role in Haiti's development? and what do you see coming.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 31:04

Good question. Thank you. You know the title of the university. For each diocese in Haiti is urs. The meaning of URS is diocese unity of teaching, research, and service. This really encapsulates the vision and mission of the university. My dream is to bring this name to life in the community. When I teach young people to do research, am doing it so that they can serve their community in the future. When I speak about teaching research, it is teaching students to be future leaders, not followers, They are to be able to be, to be leaders to, for themself and for the community.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 32:08

Well, thank you both so much. That's a beautiful note to end on Father Harold, and I hope you know that Chip and myself and the Global Center and the. University of Notre Dame are behind you and support you. as you lead this push forward, into training those future leaders, that are gonna change Haiti and, improve the situation. So, thank you both, chip and Father Harold, for being part of this conversation

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 32:33

Hey Kate. I forgot one of our social enterprises, which is one of the most important for Father Harold, we've, created and sponsor a soccer team in Hinch, last year our soccer team won their regional or their league championship, and it's second. Second year of existence. So that, that's a passionate part of Haitian life. one of our major successes is our sponsored soccer team, what we make the young men do is want them to be coaches for youth leagues in, if they're, you know, if they're getting any stipend from us, they have to give back to the community. So.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 33:09

I,

chip-wirth_1_04-09-2025_135300 33:10

sure that's one of our big ones.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 33:12

Yes,

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 33:13

there's a rumor that Father Harold is quite the soccer player himself. Is that true?

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 33:17

yes.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 33:17

I heard a story about the priest playing, the police officers that's a big game that you have every year.

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 33:23

not every year.

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 33:25

But do you win? Who wins usually?

fr--herald-jean_1_04-09-2025_135300 33:26

yes,

kate-schuenke-lucien_1_04-09-2025_135301 33:28

The priest. Okay, I'm gonna take that as the, the priest win. thank you so much, for joining us, this month on ThinkND on behalf of the Global Center for the Development of the whole child in ThinkND. I hope you enjoyed this episode if you haven't listened to the first two that you'll go in and, and join in. And if you have any questions about the global center and our work in Haiti and, and social enterprise that you'll reach out, reach out to us. We, are always looking for partnerships and, would love to engage you. until next time, inspire your mind and spark conversations.